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Posted on 01 June 2008 with no comments from readers

It amazes me how high the Dow Jones and S&P 500 stand today given everything that has happened in the US economy over the past year: sub-prime crisis, financial crisis and the credit crunch. I know that is because the pain so far has been felt in the financial and property sectors and not elsewhere.

But how much longer can this false sense of security persist? What happens as housing transactions slump? There is a whole series of lost sales for other sectors and what about the lawyers who do the transactions, let alone the wealth effect of lower prices?

The truth is that the announcements on profit falls are time delayed. Nobody loves to rush out and tell shareholders things are not so good and our profits are going to fall. But eventually they have to – the truth has to come out sooner or later.

It is just beyond belief that the tribes of Wall Street retail investors continue to behave like lemmings heading towards the edge of the cliff, and fail to face up to this obvious reality. How can the rest of the economy be doing well if the banks and builders are in recession?

Another wake-up call ought to be the rising cost of energy and food. OK even if you think that corporate America can side-step the biggest financial crisis for a decade, how about the impact of rising costs on profit margins? Surely even the dimmest stock investor ought to think about that.

In the 1970s the US stock market was pummeled by the effect of inflation on profit margins. Let us not forget, companies that make less profit are worth less. I just wonder when the facts of economic life are going to catch up with Wall Street.

Normally high oil prices would do the trick but they are seen as just a reason to drive up energy company stocks. Indeed, the Washington and Wall Street PR machines are in high election year overdrive and keen to keep the mood of the public optimistic, against all the evidence to the contrary.

Sooner or late this bubble has to burst. It could be the markets will take fright when they really think President Obama is going to be elected, or afterwards when they sober up. But I would short US markets going forward.

Posted on 01 June 2008 Categories: US Stocks

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Comment by I - 01 June 2008

It amazes me how high the Dow Jones and S&P 500 stand today given everything that has happened in the US economy over the past year: sub-prime crisis, financial crisis and the credit crunch. I know that is because the pain so far has been felt in the financial and property sectors and not elsewhere.

BE AMAZED NO MORE. The entire market in the US is fudged, by order of the PPT. Mr “market”, when he is “free”, is a discounting machine that looks ahead. It should be reflecting the storm that is coming. Currently it does not. I have said it before, and provided links, – every statistic is fudged, every MSM statement is a lie, “congress is stuck on stupid”, as is uk government. If the truth were to emerge on the true state of the future, our, ummmm, “leaders” would be gutted. Literally.
Energy is the key, and both the US and the UK have NO energy policy, let alone a coherent energy policy. Coal must replace oil in the near future, given the build time for nuclear, and the nimbys and the greens knotheads. Where are the plans to build coal-to-gas plants?, gas to liquid plants?, Gawd, in the UK, British coal is still talking about re-opening coal fields. When they finish talking, just how long will re-commissioning take?
Gordon Broon grants tax “concessions” to North Sea Oil companies, to increase the flow, – - has the un-elected jackass finally learned that excessive, and retrospective taxes drive finance into other, more profitable areas? I doubt it!!
Read this link if you are still confused over US Stats.Investors beware, this is worse than Vegas.

Gee, Peter, you do post some excitable post for a sunday morning. :)

Comment by peterjcooper - 01 June 2008

Thanks I, of course in the Middle East this is another working day! But rest assured that reality always comes through in the end…

Comment by Stepney - 01 June 2008

“I would short US markets going forward”

OK, you first!

Don’t underestimate the markets power of self-deception. For all the stories of market crashes, the Dow Jones is still only back where it was at the beginning of last year. Even at the recent lows it was well above where it was mid-2006. My reading of the mood of the markets is, to borrow from Monty Python; it ‘being tired and shagged out after having a prolonged squawk.

It’s total madness, of course, another 3 or 4 thousand points need to come out of the Dow, but it’s not going to happen. Not that I am a fan of his, but Keynes did say, “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent”

Comment by jeff - 02 June 2008

Peter

You might want to check out the second part of my post today. there is a theory that the quants are holding this market up by trading on price action. The link to the article is on there. Its a nice piece from Bill fleckenstein.

http://thehousingtimebomb.blogspot.com/

Comment by Bertie Poole - 02 June 2008

Almost every trading day there are more stocks in decline than rising.
Just because a few mining and oil stocks are rising and are the largest capitalised
companies every thing looks rosy. It is only a matter of time before the plug
gets pulled.

Comment by peterjcooper - 02 June 2008

Stepney – and I thought that parrot has snuffed it! Yes going short is easy to say and hard to do – that is why people stay in cash.

Comment by peterjcooper - 03 June 2008

Well that was one forecast I got right – DJ was off sharply on Monday

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